Kingdoms Live In-depth look: Armies and Battles

I’ve been playing and researching Kingdoms Live for a while now and wanted to share some learnings that my friend and I have come up with. The main topic today is Armies and Battles, so I will jump right in with Armies. While I mentioned in my primer part 1 and part 2, that early on, you shouldn’t accept the army invitations any sooner than you need to for quests, eventually you will just be able to accept all the invitations, because the maximum effective army size (MEAS) is 5 times your level. So if you are level 12, your army will fight as an army of 60. Even if you have over a thousand members of your army.



And as I also said in the primer, each member of your army can use 1 weapon, 1 armor, and 1 spell. This sounds straight forward, but you might get caught up in some of the game play and purchase some extra armor that won’t get used. An example of this would be if you purchased a small iron shield, leather armor, and leather helm for everyone in your army. It would make sense that each member could wear all three, but they can’t. They can only use one item at a time PER BATTLE (this will get important later.)

This leads me to how an army behaves in battle, and what I have learned about the in game battle mechanics that determines if you win or lose. I should also take the time right now to mention that if you disagree with anything in this article, or have anything else to contribute, please leave it in the comments. For most of my examples, let’s assume the character is level 10 with an army of 50. Let’s start with weapons and then move on to armor and spells. When you are attacking a rival army, the attack stat on a weapon is used. At this level the highest attack is 3. You can get this from 3 different weapons, short sword, wooden hatchet and broad sword. You don’t want to stock up on hatchets, because they are the exact same stats as the short sword but cost over three times as much. I have seen many armies stacked up with broad swords, and I now believe this to be a mistake and I will explain why shortly.

So once you have stocked up your army with 50 weapons (ideally short swords at this point for maximum attack per gold), it’s time to move on to armor. Here is where things get a little more involved. We are still considering attacking and not defending for right now, so we have a few options. A leather helm is only 45 gold and has 2 attack. The small iron shield is 75 but only has 1 attack (but 7 defense!), and the leather armor (I can’t remember what level this opens up at, lets assume you can buy it at level 10 for this example) has 4 attack for 120 gold. Now why am I specifically looking at attack levels and not the combination of attack and defense? The reason is that I have evidence that shows your army will switch to use high defense items when defending, and higher attack items when attacking, and that those are the only stats used in the calculation of whether or not you win the battle. Again, I will go into more detail on this later.

Lastly, there are only 2 choices for spells at this point. Fireball and Force Shield. Both of them come with an upkeep and are expensive compared to weapons and armor with comparable stats. That said, it’s much more affordable to stock up on a bunch of fireballs (50 fireballs would be 100 upkeep, so make sure you are spending some of your gold on land), and it would give you quite an advantage in battle of a player with all the same weapons and armor, but no spells.

Now lets look at defending, and go back to weapons. Again, the highest defense on a weapon is 3. You can get it from a longbow or a broadsword. How about that, broadsword came up twice in our best of class analysis. Does that mean we should just buy broadswords and not need to have separate weapons for attacking and defending? You could do that, and like I said, I have come across many armies that are similarly equipped. But the problem is it costs 100 gold for a broadsword, and it costs 72 gold to buy a short sword and a longbow. Which would you rather spend? I think many players do not realize how the came mechanics work, and if it were not for some testing between a friend and I, we would not have figured it out. The reason this is tricky to figure out, is that while you get to see what equipment your army and your opponent uses when you attack, you don’t get to see that when you defend. After trading screenshots back and forth, we realized that the game was doing what I described above.

So now let’s finish up on armor and spells. At this point in the game, its an easy choice for defense when it comes to armor. The small iron shield at 7 defense and only 75 gold is an easy choice. The same goes for spells, with Force Shield having 8 defense compared to Fireball with only 3. But Force Shield is pricey, at least at this level. 250 gold plus 5 upkeep is nothing to sneeze at. In fact, one of my next articles will be on why defense can be the fast track to leveling up in an instant.

So what’s the final conclusion. Well here is my ideal army at this level, for both stats and least amount of gold cost.

Weapons (excluding quest rewards or freebies like the warhammer):
50 Shortswords
50 Longbows

Armor:
50 leather armor
50 Small iron shields

Spells:
50 Fireballs
50 Forceshields (If you can afford it.)

That’s it for now. Like I said, leave comments if you have anything to add or if you disagree with anything in the article. And come back in a couple of days when I have my article on defending and it’s benefits on leveling up.

  • Bronar

    what a nice blog with somebody who is able to analyse things in a clear and understandable way, respect ;-) . i just ran into kingdoms live and im doing ok, i guess. an aspect which is still irritating me, is how to build up your army. i know, invite people. just randomly? does it matter what they originally play, what lvl etc pp? i guess not… so just invite ppl whenever i see an invitation code to fill up my targeted number – is that correct? :) … can one player be member in more armies? im still a bit confused, i have to confess…

    as soon as i have something significant to contribute (lvl7 right now) im more than willing to share it here in the comments! keep up your interesting blog!

  • Bronar

    what a nice blog with somebody who is able to analyse things in a clear and understandable way, respect ;-) . i just ran into kingdoms live and im doing ok, i guess. an aspect which is still irritating me, is how to build up your army. i know, invite people. just randomly? does it matter what they originally play, what lvl etc pp? i guess not… so just invite ppl whenever i see an invitation code to fill up my targeted number – is that correct? :) … can one player be member in more armies? im still a bit confused, i have to confess…

    as soon as i have something significant to contribute (lvl7 right now) im more than willing to share it here in the comments! keep up your interesting blog!

  • Bronar

    p.s.: summarizing question: what “dangers” or disadvantages are linked to built up an army? :)

  • Bronar

    p.s.: summarizing question: what “dangers” or disadvantages are linked to built up an army? :)

  • Mike

    Thanks for the comments! To answer your question, yes, you can just invite people randomly. As it stands right now, WHO is in your army does not matter at all, its only a matter of the quantity that you have, and what equipment you give them. It doesn’t matter if your members are level 1 or level 50, they all count the same. Hope this answers your question.

  • Mike

    Thanks for the comments! To answer your question, yes, you can just invite people randomly. As it stands right now, WHO is in your army does not matter at all, its only a matter of the quantity that you have, and what equipment you give them. It doesn’t matter if your members are level 1 or level 50, they all count the same. Hope this answers your question.

  • Bronar

    yes it perfectly answers it! only remaining issue: i invite for example you ;) – do you get an ingame messsage now and you have to “accept” the invite or is there some some sort of automatic acceptance from your side? (i invited now you and another player, but the army size is still the same). i hope that was my last “faq” and all upcoming from my side will be rather insights and ideas ;) … greetings from switzerland… Bronar

  • Bronar

    yes it perfectly answers it! only remaining issue: i invite for example you ;) – do you get an ingame messsage now and you have to “accept” the invite or is there some some sort of automatic acceptance from your side? (i invited now you and another player, but the army size is still the same). i hope that was my last “faq” and all upcoming from my side will be rather insights and ideas ;) … greetings from switzerland… Bronar

  • Mike

    I just accepted all pending invites, so check your army size.

  • Mike

    I just accepted all pending invites, so check your army size.

  • Bronar

    thanks a lot ;)

  • Bronar

    thanks a lot ;)

  • Pretz

    Here is what I don’t understand: I am level 22 and have a TON of land for my level. I used to have 19 people in my army, but I just dropped it to 5 in the hopes of increasing cash flow. I plan on just buying a ton of land, saving up and buying more, and then leveling up later. I have the 5 best defense spells for my level (invisibility), the 5 highest defense armor (aegis shield) and the 5 highest defense weapons (ogreslayer), yet I am still getting killed ALL the time. I am not attacking, only defending. Why do I keep losing? My defense is about 23. I made the mistake of increasing my spirit to 7, but still, my defense stats should be good! Also I’m a mage, so I should get a bonus to spells.

  • Pretz

    Here is what I don’t understand: I am level 22 and have a TON of land for my level. I used to have 19 people in my army, but I just dropped it to 5 in the hopes of increasing cash flow. I plan on just buying a ton of land, saving up and buying more, and then leveling up later. I have the 5 best defense spells for my level (invisibility), the 5 highest defense armor (aegis shield) and the 5 highest defense weapons (ogreslayer), yet I am still getting killed ALL the time. I am not attacking, only defending. Why do I keep losing? My defense is about 23. I made the mistake of increasing my spirit to 7, but still, my defense stats should be good! Also I’m a mage, so I should get a bonus to spells.

  • Mike

    The size of your army should be five times your level. At level 22, your army should be 110. The reason you are probably losing, is your 5 army members are fighting armies of 110. Even the best items can not keep you from winning that battle.

  • Mike

    The size of your army should be five times your level. At level 22, your army should be 110. The reason you are probably losing, is your 5 army members are fighting armies of 110. Even the best items can not keep you from winning that battle.

  • chuck mcnutty

    i am level 11 i am using every thing that you listed with an army of 5 and i am still losing. why?

  • chuck mcnutty

    i am level 11 i am using every thing that you listed with an army of 5 and i am still losing. why?

  • JT

    How do the individual Skill Points you spend each level effect the outcome of a Battle?

  • JT

    How do the individual Skill Points you spend each level effect the outcome of a Battle?

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  • Snoogs

    @chuck mcnutty
    Do you have 5 of everything? Your army members use what YOU possess, not what they possess when fighting your battles. Another reason is that your army members may be low leveled; I think that their stats matter in battle as well. If they have low offense/defense compared to your opponents army, you may also lose.

  • Snoogs

    @chuck mcnutty
    Do you have 5 of everything? Your army members use what YOU possess, not what they possess when fighting your battles. Another reason is that your army members may be low leveled; I think that their stats matter in battle as well. If they have low offense/defense compared to your opponents army, you may also lose.

  • Mike Hades

    ok, this is confusing me. in the above comments it says that your army should be 5x your lvl meaning that Pretz’s army of 5 at lvl 22 is prolly fighting armies of 110. However, in the primer, it says that the game keeps you with armies that are within 1 or 2 of your your army. Wich one is it?

  • Mike Hades

    ok, this is confusing me. in the above comments it says that your army should be 5x your lvl meaning that Pretz’s army of 5 at lvl 22 is prolly fighting armies of 110. However, in the primer, it says that the game keeps you with armies that are within 1 or 2 of your your army. Wich one is it?

  • timmysunshine

    yeah i don’t get the 5x your level thing either. it seems like that would just make it harder to win/defend battles even if you are equipped like you say.

    hmm if you’re looking to increase your army though i accept all:

    VCRM2B

  • http://timothyfletcher@my.unt.edu timmysunshine

    yeah i don’t get the 5x your level thing either. it seems like that would just make it harder to win/defend battles even if you are equipped like you say.

    hmm if you’re looking to increase your army though i accept all:

    VCRM2B

  • ravi

    please send me a link for leveling i need help

  • ravi

    please send me a link for leveling i need help

  • Trent

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  • Sir Golden

    This is to all the Post of armies of 5 that are being beaten up all the time and wants it to stop. all you have to do is drop your army size down to 4 or increase it to 9 so that you are at the top of your “Attack Rivals” army range. the reason you are losing is because the people that are attacking you have armies that are larger then your with all the same equipment.

    when you battle you use “Attack Rivals” the players that you see are all the same level as you and with the exception of the top two they are in a close army range you want to make sure you always stay at the top of your range to have the best chance of winning or defending

  • Sir Golden

    This is to all the Post of armies of 5 that are being beaten up all the time and wants it to stop. all you have to do is drop your army size down to 4 or increase it to 9 so that you are at the top of your “Attack Rivals” army range. the reason you are losing is because the people that are attacking you have armies that are larger then your with all the same equipment.

    when you battle you use “Attack Rivals” the players that you see are all the same level as you and with the exception of the top two they are in a close army range you want to make sure you always stay at the top of your range to have the best chance of winning or defending

  • Sir Golden

    Almost forgot it is time for me to grow my army and take over the world so please add me S59EQX

  • Sir Golden

    Almost forgot it is time for me to grow my army and take over the world so please add me S59EQX

  • Bruce

    Add me v9wegj

  • Bruce

    Add me v9wegj

  • Schennis

    How do you kill other players?

  • Schennis

    How do you kill other players?

  • Foq

    is level of the people in my army being a limit to what kind of weapon they can use?

  • Dee

    That is not true. I’m an army of 9 at level 21 and everyone in my group are armies 5-9 with the occational larger army. I win all the time when both attacked and attacking.

  • Tylerbell1995@yahoo.com

    So u can have 27army members and have 27 Armours 27 spells and 27 and 27 weapons?